My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. Episodes will be. Right!? She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. advantage. I think you are talking jibberish. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? Well said, Edward. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? Come on she looks great. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. But it would seem to me that it might ought to be standard practice to have a Betazed on the bridge on all starships if those stills were so needed. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. Even though she's still in the final season of Starfleet Aacademy studies She was assigned to the USS Discovery to get some practical experience. None of us are and its okay. Diplomacy? Even Picard has his own show. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! She brings so much heart to the show. I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? Have to completely agree you T2. But how the women look?! Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. You misunderstood. Hopefully its . Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? Shes supposed to set the example. And it could fit nicely with Chakotays story on the show and that hes also in the DQ for the mission and now has to find the ship. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. As someone with severe and sometimes crippling anxiety whos managed to have a pretty successful high-pressure career, I question your assertion that she never would have graduated Starfleet., You clearly never served in a military environment. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. Its just lazy writing. That is not anything to diss. Did they write Tilly off of the series? : r/StarTrekDiscovery - reddit I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. 89. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. What a surprise. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. She hopped over those 900 years. Everyone has their gifts. Just more pandering. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! Only showing up for briefings when that specialty was needed for that particular situation. No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. You made very good points and I do agree. What do you mean? If they wont act a woman should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. Sylvia Tilly (mirror) | Memory Alpha | Fandom Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. It really doesnt fit in the century they are in. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. However, with the successive changes in show runners the coherence of Burnhams development has been lost. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . Doug Jones Transforms into Star Trek: Discovery's Saru | Star Trek Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. I dont think Tilly is ruined. Thats not a leader. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. Mary Wiseman. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? I agree! Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. :). BTW, I know this is waaaaaay off topic, but since you are the literary Trek lover on this site and keep up with a lot of the books, do you think Prodigy is going to use some of Kirsten Beyers Full Circle Voyager story lines? She is best known for starring as Sylvia Tilly in the Paramount+ science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery (2017-present). Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. I cant spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. And tons dont. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. There is a great scene back in S1 when Tilly and Burnham are doing cardio training and post workout are eating their protien, carbs and fat nutrition, something that the body requires after a hard cardio workout. Too nervous and anxious. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. You are always very insightful. Shes changed. Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. Mary Wiseman Talks Tilly's Future On 'Star Trek: Discovery' The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. However, Tilly's rise to Lieutenant in Thursday's episode of Star Trek: Discovery did not invoke feelings of joy. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. I cant stand any sentence (especially related to DSC) which starts off with Everybody loves Its never true. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? I mean, it was just so fun! But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. I suspect that Prodigy may use some of the elements that Beyer expanded or created for Full Circle without actually developing any of the overall story arc. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. 42 comments so far. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. In general, the Litverse kicks off with the TNG A Time to series that fills in events between the movies Insurrection and Nemesis. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. Learning? Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? I see them as similar. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Exactly. The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. ICYMI: NYCC Season 4 Trailer - TrekMovie.com She is one of the best things about Discovery. Take me to the stars and tell me a story. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. Sisko on the other hand. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. Took time to reset the franchise. Right? I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. Have to disagree. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. Tilly is not a perfect officer. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. Picard is the third Kurtzman Production. I absolutely love Tilly/Killy. They basically wrote her off the show! Please dont ban me!). All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. Overweight is a risk of becoming obese. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. By the way, could of isnt English. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. Probably some admirals cousin. Make it make sense! And I just really love having Janeway back. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. Btw, I really liked the scene of Tilly and Burnham running back in S1 and eating protein, carbs and fat post workout. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. So smart in the Starfleet tradition. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. This sounds kind of racist. Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. Why is that a command level position? She is super meta. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. What? Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. It just came to me and wanted your opinion. So. The doctor was usually the therapist. What tradition do you speak of? Ok, SH didnt invent this. Waste of talent. Theres a little Harley Quinn. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. . Its participation trophy trek. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. Where I live people compete on the merits. But admittedly, its pretty close. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Like her prime universe counterpart, Tilly was portrayed by Mary Wiseman.. Tilly was presumably killed when the Discovery was destroyed in the prime universe.. Apocrypha. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. Wiseman had other things to do. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you And thats a healthy outlook. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. If Tilly needed to pick up a phaser or be physically active then that means the Discovery is in some serious shit, with it either having been boarded and their entire security personnel neutralised, or with Tilly separated from the ship, most like due to its destruction. Where is this? I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. Yes, The Expanse. Body shaming is wrong and immature. I realized that unless I wanted to deal with health issues like hypertension, diabetes and other medical ailments, I would have to eat less and less as I got older and older. And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. She doesnt inspire confidence. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. Ive seen fan-fics with better characters than this. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. Where are they!? The message she is sending how? Yes! I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. But the characters are pitch perfect. However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. The Enterprise D was the only place we saw a councelor. Smart doesnt mean competent. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. By existing? Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. Thats just a matter of preference. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). I have to agree. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships It seems like people like her say: this is me. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. But it looks like TG47 answered your question!
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