Oliver, I just looked at your 1st link, and I can clearly see a human face in the red circle. They usually drown their victims, hit and run car accidents, or just disappear the victim, etc anything that ensures theres no obvious intent to the police. Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? Cave photo: & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? Theres some type of red and black object at the top of the photo. You ask good questions. The blue object looks like it could be a crushed beer can. He has a weapon like o jr t in his hands. My question is: Who has the ability to manipulate both the cameras internal storage database and the photos? Phone records. I noticed that youve submitted two more links in another newer comment. After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? Im not sure if people can really talk with animals but i sure would try and see by calling on a few and get their opinion. This case is certainly not finished. Debbie, I agree. I get why people really hard want to believe theres something more to it, but hiking a lot (in very well known areas) you can go lost SO easily. Poor investigations and low standards are very common in these under-developed countries. In all the other pictures she is always got her arms visible, I find this very odd. There is very convincing evidence gathered by Juan Perea over the years on this case. Maybe shes told to put her hands up and walk into this structure. Jalisco authorities have launched an investigation in connection with the enforced disappearance of four tourists. Perhaps the truth will come out someday. Thanks for pointing this out. However there appear to be yellowish/beige shadows and it looks like a sandstone cliff. The theories go from accident to a crime to a combination of both. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. In Latin America, gangs, cartels and human traffickers work very effectively in unison to carry out organized crime. Or is it all part of a cover-up? Out of the dozens of calls, only one managed to connect, but broke up after just two seconds due to the lack of reception. Why would the perpetrators concoct all of the photo/backpack evidence? I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. Vittorio Caruso. They decided to take that short hike, but they failed to tell anyone where they were going and what time to expect them back. Kremers and Froon set out into the forest along thePianista Trail around 11 amon April 1, 2014,with only a backpack between them. Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. There appears to be a visible roof-like structure above Kriss head. This! Yes, thank you, Sue. The next morning, on April 2nd, a substantial earthquake of magnitude 6.0 hits Panama at 11:13 AM. If they had solved the case, the international community (and the families) would have been satisfied and let it fade into history. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. This was incredibly naive but then they only just arrived.. What took them past the divide? They were friends from college, and were roommates then, so Lisanne had to have known Kris password as her best friend. A lot of times countries dont want investigations to be publicized or they shut them down as best they can in order for their tourist trade to not be hurt!!!!! I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. Thats why Kris stops in photos once in a while as if to say this way, right?. Over 60% of the missing person cases involving foreigners in the Cancun area have not been solved according to a new report. Is this in dispute? Haha. The abductor is a deeply religious man, in his own demented way, and he sees this as a sign from God. At that time, she had her phone. Hi Chris! Sue Borries and Debra Ann Velleman are pictured in undated composite image. I believe that this case WILL be solved. Please note: Our team is committed to accuracy of information and respecting the privacy of those involved with this disappearance case. But what if that is what led them off track ? Between taking the last foto (Nr 508) at 12:54 local time and the first SOS call at 16:39 local time something happened. Particularly given that you have very admirable aspirations for what you intend to do by investigating the trail on the ground. You can see a kind of nose and lips. Like the taxidriver and the two local boys. They are really good, especially parts 3 and 4, which give a lot of information about the girls photos. I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. Also there is a consistency to the timing of SOS attempts occurring two times each day +/ a few minutes of the exact same time. Where did you hear this? Looks like 2 blurred out people one talker than other behind her over her left shoulder or her left when looking left of pic. Why? Bright sunlight is coming in from the left side of the photo, so Kris holds her flattened right hand up to her face to shield her eyes, similar to a salute. This was cleverly planned, and the murderer(s) have done this before. In 2020 the number of international visitors to Australia dropped to 6.7 million due . Her face also appears to be heavily damaged, bruised and bleeding and her hair appears to have been pulled out and or cut as its sticking out in ways that dont seem normal for her ponytail.. It isnt a cave, somebody has shown in a youtube video that it us just a very deep path on the wrong side of the mountain with a sharp turn. They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. Hi Jim, I appreciate your comments but please lay off the language of calling people fools. This girl was tortured before they killed her. Kris is sticking her tongue out in this photo. ), podran darnos explicaciones de la posicin del cuerpo, de las manos y la expresin del rostro en la foto 506. How many tourists go to Australia? Most fingers seem to point to the Panama authorities, who have also been blamed for a poor initial search in the immediate days after the disappearance. People have long realized that its up to the public to solve this. Do u know if this particular spot was apart of the trail they went on? They didnt take anything with them for more than 1 or 2 hours max journey. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. There was one person that said that the dog left with them when they set out on their hike. Hi Marie, Theres no evidence that points to the dog being with them. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. Be careful. Even on my iPhone I could make it big enough to see odd things in the pic. Why are both her hands behind her back? Most of the tourists come from the United States, Canada, Europe, Central America, and South America. The first thing that strikes me as very odd in this photograph and I think I havent seen anyone pointing that out yet -, is a specific number. Or whoever deleted the photos may have overlooked to delete this one as they could have done it in a hurry as well. This case really creeps me out, specially the findings and the pictures. The girls went for a swim in a rock pool. March 3, 2023, 7:57 AM. Also, aserial killer might have stalkedtheir area at the time. How come nobody ever says anything about the other girls bones and and what she was doing while these pictures were being taken of Chris that was way ahead of her ? Also we are in the realms of Hollywood if we need such a calm and calculating mind at work other than those of the girls to abduct and or kill them and then orchestrate a smokescreen. is. It was taken on the Continental Divide exactly 14 minutes and 12 seconds after their photos at the Mirador. https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html. Who would do this, and why? I think this picture of Kris is a picture of her circling around looking for where they entered the jungle. Also, where did learn that her brother mistakenly put the hair photo online? Also, Im looking forward to reading the new book as well, particularly what Pitti has to say. Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. I think that Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon underestimated their surroundings and were ill prepared for this adventure. ), which doesnt look natural. Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. What do you think? How many tourists go missing in Australia each year? Latin America has tens of thousands of small communities, all of which operate slightly differently to some degree. I think they were lost. she does see something disgusting. Terrible for the parents. Another important detail was disclosed to the public: Hctor Abrego was actively searching for the missing . The overriding input is human. What if she was trying to get fire with the mirror and the paper? My opinion is that the girls met with foul play and were murdered. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. Because of thedark, the pairmight have usedthe camera flash as a light sourceor to scare away animals. Possibly that info can help. Here is the comparison: Have you looked closely at what Chris has labelled the insignia. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kris+and+lisanne++finanli. I havent seen any discussions on this. Call us in Washington, D.C. at 1-888-407-4747 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 1-202-501-4444 (from all other countries) from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). Of course these generalities and cultural traits do not apply to everyone here. If someone had access to their phones, they might have deleted them. Im very curious what your experience is living in Latin America, because generalizations like your statement are certainly inconsistent with many disappearance stories and law enforcement activity here. His . Im always looking for answers. Hundreds! https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. The first all the black area behind her was blackened and smudged. The problem with the links you are providing is not that the links themselves are necessarily unsafe (they could be, but we wont test them)the problem is that ALL of your links require users to download some form of content. Not to mention her hair was down in the photos at the beginning of the hike and now they appear to be in at least two pony tails where devil horns would be. History is not a science but it can include some science. Not saying that its impossible, but very VERY difficult to edit photos seamlessly. The land behind her is definitely at a higher level and could be rock. She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. Read Matts article about the daytime photos (link) for more detailed information. Anyway thanks again this is such a fascinating case I wish there would be some kind of closure for the families (although I saw a you tube video that interviewed the father of one of the girls, he said that they hired their own investigator and determined they died of an accidental fall. This would cover natural causes and the rucksack contents being in perfect condition. Something happened between the morning and afternoon of the 5th because it was in the afternoon that a wrong pin was entered and subsequently every time thereafter. Does this take a high level of tech knowledge and a computer? We have no final police report only a lot of leaked info much second hand and multiple hand. So, their work was good but not perfect. From the summit, they decided to go in a bit deeper, or just took the wrong exit path by mistake. Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? I think your initial analysis of the photo is spot on. Its part of life in the countryside and small towns. The final photo may have been eliminated after thought by the still remaining friend, as it may have been too traumatic for her. Zooming in I swear its a person standing Hidden amongst the tangle with body paint. Before that, in image 507 & 508, you can see Kris in a stiff, nervous posture, because the girls saw someone they were afraid of closing in. Both of these 2 boys died shortly after, by murder or by accident. However, Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their bookLost in The Jungle. Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? There is definitely a face on that the post/tree to the right of Kris. I suspect the food may have been left with them when they were abandoned by drug traffickers (who initially abducted them on April 1st) after Kris was hurt crossing the monkey bridge. Also mobile signals are better at night yet no calls were attempted. I would certainly buy it if it had been printed in English. They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. According to one web sleuth, the snaps taken on the camera a week after the girls vanished might have been taken with the flash to light up the path as they stumbled through the dark jungle. Im not sure if Ive found something new here, but I havent found anyone else discussing these details online. The point-and-shoot camera numbers its files in ascending order, the way most digital cameras do. I think shes frightened, Not only does it look like her hands are tied behind her back,but if you zoom in on just her,her expression does not look happy at all,and she is looking off to somewhere beside the camera,she isnt even looking at the camera,and there appears to be blood in her hair on both sides of her head and her hair is clearly a mess.maybe this photo was taken after their captured, possibly by whoever captured them. Where are those Pings? I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. You would write something out on notepad or at least be texting everyone in your address book hoping one got through saying Help. I think it would be a mistake to assume Lisanne knew her friends password. If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. I think that I read somewhere that something blue was found on one of the shoes. Also subsequently one or the other phone connected without them obviously knowing. She looks disorientated almost. Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. As you say, it might be better if you were able to lay out the photos and see how they seem to fit together. EERIE photos discovered on a camera belonging to two missing hikers revealed their mysterious final moments before both girls vanished in the jungle in Panama. Why is no one talking about what appears to be a rock painting or a carving 3-4 feet in front of her? In this photo is another object (or two? Search parties are looking for her. I noticed this too. If you dont know the story, I recommend you visit the link at the bottom of this page. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? Sorry to bring up the dog again. I think that this is definitely a murder, because of the rucksack. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. But during my time spending a year there in 2015 (at the time Id not heard of this case), I had asked around about legends within the jungle and there is in fact legends from tribes who never interacted and are thousands of miles apart which regress of some THING that comes from the sky or trees that is not visible to humans but devours then to the bone. They were only 2 weeks into their trip and only on their 4th day in Boquete so they were innocents abroad and would have been broadcasting that to all who cared to look. Unfortunately we dont have a lot of answers to your questions. It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. Im considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. I have no idea. The dog found his way home. Right above it. And she can only hope that Kris will wake up. The green rock directly in front of Kris appears to float in space. The alarm was initially raised about the disappearance of the girls after they missed a private walking tour of Boquete on April 2. Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. Despite these . Easily done, I have done that myself several times. NOT A SINGLE ONE? What confuses this is that after Kriss phone dies then on the 5th during the afternoon SOS attempt a wrong pin is input on Lisannes phone and indeed continues to be input until the end. Its very interesting that the dog is not clearly visible in any of the pictures. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). Why did he leave them? If anything, that is an evidence that they were taking more risks than a regular tourist/hiker, so being lost and/or injured seems to me much more reasonable explanation (than murdered) based on that. Thank you for your comment. Well-worn paths do not lead into a pit. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. It looks straight and like it may go over the eye and above it. Life of a stay at home home. This would mean that this photo possibly shows the entrance to a cave leading inside the wall of rock behind it. Here is what I see: Rights of initiation? Maybe a struggle or fall? As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. While I do believe eventually, and possibly soon after this, there was foul play, I dont think anything untoward was happening as of this photo. The picture people think she is looking down she is hanging with hands tied behind her back. Jump forward to Boquette now and you will see a photo of the girls in the street, and behind them is a shirtless fat white man. The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. . I havent spotted the finger with the silver ring in photo IMG_0580 thats the name of the hair photo, and in the night photos you found out that there are not one but two individuals that are of native origin nonetheless, which specific photos led you to that conclusion? She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. Right hand is on her hip/slightly behind back, the left is hanging down on her side or in her pocket I cant tell. He goes down some intriguing avenues which while I may not agree with either the direction or point have value because they stimulate me to think. There are some walls of rock in an area which I think is called los Naranjos, not too far from the Pianista trail (relatively speaking) and is where people go climbing. Where is the Ping for that time? I read extensively about this case and when I saw the above pic, I got the most eerie feeling. Do you think this could be at all relevant? Fearing that these two strangers may bring the wrath of God upon him, he releases them into the jungle. Why would that be? Thats just shadow that the camera didnt illuminate. I have one questions for you, regarding the 90 photos taken at night: if these were not taken by one of the girls in an attempt to provide light or whatever, what possible purpose could anyone else, such as an attacker, have in taking these photos? I cant say what it is, but it looks similar to an object, that can be seen in some of the nighttime photos, like in this one here. For this websites credibility I would strongly recommend more thorough moderation of peoples comments. The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. More info here. Thank you, Sue. I think in the original photo she is putting on her backpack, stretching her arm and back, and the backpack has been airbrushed out because of course she didnt take that with her. play. ?If they were attacked by people immidiately after this, how they took the photos?? Could the red object be a bird? Maybe they stumbled on a hidden stash of drugs or something wierd and were taking a photo of the location in order to report it to the police, but got caught before they could. They couldnt have been that far away from the return trail to Boquette. Is there a particular name, symbol or color associated with the gang? Would the girls really be so far apart in dense jungle? She has no idea that her parents are about to arrive in Panama. ^ But the galvanized sign marking the terminus of the Pianista isnt really the end of the trail. In fact, theres a very obvious, albeit mud-choked, passage that goes down the other side of the crestonly to intersect with an entire web of paths constructed and used primarily by members of the indigenous Ngobe tribe. It also contained Lisanne's camera and both of their phones. Stop trying to read too much into it. What is that clear brown glass-looking circle in the upper righthand corner? On the bottom right of the photo it looks as though her hair is wrapped around somebodys fingers, or rather someone has their fingers wrapped around her hair. Thats perplexing to me. While some believe Kris and Lisanne died in an accident, the ex-cop slammed the police investigation in Panama as shoddy and said it should be redone. Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. The illusion of her being tied and in distress is nothing more than that. Its thought that Kremers and Froon were exploring nature without anyone else around. And remember that the legitimate photos we have came from Juan. Thats the very first thing that crossed my mind. Chris, I hope you and a team go but I also understand, in the present age of uncertainty, if you dont. thank you for sharing this. "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. The date read April 1, the day of their fateful hike. Give me a link. Also right inside the cave looks like a fox or something similar is painted on the rock. I wondered if it was a mirror or piece of metal and her reflection. He has collected much that is out there but still the majority is second hand and we have no information as to the voracity. Maybe its just pareidolia, but i think its a manmade object. The girls were no longer alive after April 2nd latest. Apart from the fact if she was photoshopped in this picture, i.m.o. There is so much to see and Juan is amazing. The photo to me appears that she simply is bending over to get the sun out of her eyes, with her right hand help up to shield the sun. From the story of Holger, it seems unlikely to imagine that the medical examiner overlooked the very serious condition of the cyclists remains. They were lost very shortly after arriving at their destination, And then they made a huge mistake by heading due north to find their way back home and they should have been going to the southeast. You can bet your life if someone was with them at that point, then they were the culprits who had something to do with the girls disappearance. The women wanted to see as much of Boquete as possible,hiring a guide to showthem around on April 2, 2014. I read that the backpack belonged to Lisanne Froon. The bones of Lisannes foot were fractured in an unusual way (from the top down). The plane was located with the help of Bruce's Legacy, as well as a local family whose boats were used in the mission, Lewitinn said. P.S. And her shirt is pushed up. In the leaked images some 90% of the original information is irretrievably lost trying to read anything into any of the remaining spots and splotches is fools errand. El despus, es pnico y preocupacin. Maybe the girls were not so clever at tech but they did not leave voice or video memos to document their predicament not goodbye messages for family.
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