WW1 Canadian British CEF BEF Brodie Helmet & Liner. http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/index.php, Here is a reply from Roger Lucy, who wrote the book TIN LIDS, "In his article on the Mk.I in Militaria # 6, July, 1994, the British helmet guru, Marcus Cotton, suggests that FKS probably stands for Thos. This helmet, designated "Brodie's Steel Helmet, War Office Pattern" began fielding in October 1915 and gave the name of its inventor to an entire line of stamped steel helmets used by a large number of countries including Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States (which adopted it as the M1917). The first to develop an effective helmet were the French who had developed the steel Adrian helmet by the summer of 1915. used by someone in a fire department role, maybe a works fireman. The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. Though we never call it that. Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' So a large number of Americandough boyswore British made helmets though out their service in France. . Originally this was a hard-hat like support which was designed to fit inside the steel cap, offering comfort, support and an extra layer of protection. Thank you for your reply. I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. I really don't think there are any other markings. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. View detail. I'm sorry I don't have the answer to your question, but (and I apologise profoundly for what follows) - what's this about another Great War Forum? Kings Royal Rifle Corps who died 02/03/1915 YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Belgium ' Consequently the Infantry Board resumed its experiments to produce a new design. var fontstart = '' NPB. Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? Display as a link instead, Just sold the ARVN ranger helmet. As usually occurs during such periods of protracted stability, investment in innovations in military equipment was limited and there was no real urgency to develop new weapons and protective equipment. Welcome to the forum, the helmet looks British made and dates from 1916/17 period, it may have had a donut ring but with out the liner to hold, it in place it's gone missing. A Kevlar casque, covered in a sheath of pale-brown desert camouflage cloth, it has a neoprene olive-drab band around the helmet's lower rim, with the soldier's name embroidered on it in black.. "The French came up with the first 'proper' helmet. dailyinfo[28]=' 19673 Leading Aircraftman Samuel Ambrose TICKNER Meritorious Service Medal No. I too have seen dates on these lugs most often the way your pictures show them. The most widely recognised Air Raid Warden's helmet insignia is the two-inch high 'W'.Depending on the air raid warden's rank he would have either a black helmet with white 'W' or a white helmet with black 'W' (plus one or two one-inch bars (separated by a half-inch gap) to denote seniority within the wardens' service).However, there are a thousands of helmets from various localities with a . dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Alexander & Sons I'm posting them as quick as I can wrap them up, Haven't tweeted in a while. = International Molded Plastics - Massachusetts. The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. Depending on your recommendation and initial read, I may take some light sandpaper to the brim and see what I can find. Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. I know not many American helmets made it overseas, and the painting of division badges on helmets seem to be inconsistent. Fully restored with river gravel finis Here's one I've have had in my collection for many years is this with the steel rim and second pattern liner, i would say unissued , not sure if it was for the Americans or New Zealand troops, but the main printed label is not easily read .it still maintains the crown label , the white doggy bone looking mark was on there when i got it,maybe a clumsy decorator ? Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. ww1, field, identification, tag, a e wilson, 10th, ambulance. Both helmets are non-magnetic. Related Weapons & Armor. Helmets were procured from British supply until such point as the Americans could supply themselves with their own helmets. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN France ' The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. In total approximately seven and a half million Brodies were produced by the British by the time that the First World War came to an end in November 1918. A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. No liner and what looks like a disintegrating pad (asbestos concern?). The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania ' To avoid a smooth reflective finish a small amount of river gravel was mixed into the paint. Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. The design was esentially the same in WW2, but there are a number of specific differences between the two and once you recognise these differences, such as the width of the brim (wider in WW1), you find you can tell one from another very easily. My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. Thanks Leon21. It is a much heavier and more robust design. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different. For a quarter of a century between the early stages of the First World War through to the first years of the Second World War the Brodie was the standard issue headgear for all British troops. Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Share 9 posts Mariner109 16 Gefreiter Mar 27, 2010 #1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. Is it a BEF or US helmet? if (year < 1000) year+=1900 Thus, over a quarter of a century it had seen widespread service from the trenches of northern France in 1915 to the flight from that same region twenty-five years later, an action which ensured that Britain could continue the fight against Nazi Germany. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. 5th Bde. The man responsible for the design of the German Stahlhelm was Dr. Friedrich Schwerd of the Technical Institute of Hannover. Paste as plain text instead, By Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' ( ZA-Marks belong to the Crosby Manufacturing Co. ), ( ZB-Marks are thought to belong to the Worchester Pressed Steel Co. ), ( ZC-Marks belong to Edward. The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). var mydate=new Date() In the case of the British Mark I there is typically a letter followed by a slash followed by another letter. of a WW1 helmet this normally means it's milder steel used and not for combat use. Meccano Though, my opinion is that the helmet is an American M1917. OPH Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' The helmets from both countries are so similar that often times people believe that the Spanish helmet is a German helmet. The front is marked in original period paint: Mac Kay C.WU The paint is 100% original. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' This list is on going if you know of any more please let us know. WW2 British Army Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs. i read threads forum about brodie he What mythical beast could that be?? I am not sure if the colour is original, as most pictures shown here are of a lighter green. Awesome, thanks for the replies. 14th Bde. Powered by Invision Community, US WW1 and WW2 Brodie Helmets and Maker Stamps. This helmet was called The Helmet, Steel, Mark I but is also sometimes referred to as the Brodie steel helmet or the Brodie Mark I helmet. $3,000. Simultaneously, though, the administration of Woodrow Wilson ordered the production of an American-made helmet. One is stamped 1938 in the 'furniture' and is either RAF blue or a police issue type. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month Canucks? He did work there before the war but we are not sure if he held that position pre-war. on the American helmet they look very crudely overlapped. I'm putting in a picture. I believe they were numbered 1-24. Specification. Helmets and Headgear, Shortly after the US declaration of war in April of 1917 the US ordered around 400,000 helmets from the British for use by, the American Expeditionary Force. http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. All helmets of this shape and form are known as Brodie helmets - even the ones manufactured abroad. As for suppliers I found another list with a few more names that were missing from Scott's list. Indeed, a domestically produced version of the M1 is still in use today amongst the Indian armed forces, as well as several other countries such as Vietnam, Turkey and Colombia, albeit often in a ceremonial capacity. The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. He was in his early forties when the war broke out and he turned his attentions to developing a military helmet along the lines that the French had just produced with the Adrian helmet. 2nd Bn. Columbian Enameling & Stamping Co - Terre Haute - Indiana. The American shell is heavier. Itsin rough shape and I have yet to find a manufacture/heat stamp. About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. This was the American M1 helmet, arguably the most iconic and recognizable military helmet produced in modern times. Follow. I need your help to identify this helmet shell. In the photo it looks like it could be surface rust? Category. 309.60 Buy It Now. If its a British helmet, could it be one provided to the Americans before American helmet production caught up? With a liner most HS shells are running around $150.00 on most sites. He was on guard duties mostly on the rooftops of parliament apparently with Churchill quite a lot. colour is the paint finish of the helmet, in the photo it looks blue/grey ?. depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. Brodie helmets - How to identify By depaor01 4 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia depaor01 Old Sweats 2.2k Location:Dublin, Ireland Posted 4 January , 2013 Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? blue brodie helmet(or not) identification; Display your banner here. April 2, 2014 in Here's a list of WW2 American Helmet Liner Makers. The helmet was rimless and was painted a smooth dark-green color. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. Inland = Inland Manufacturing Co ( General Motors ) - Ohio. You can post now and register later. A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. helmets which have a wide range of different paint colours and textures, most of these new helmetswere made in early 1941. Please enquire in advance about our arrangements for telephone bidding. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. Tom.Delahoyde While they were initially produced from manufactured paper fibres, these models were quickly discontinued when it was realised that they degraded in short order, particularly in the tropical conditions of the Pacific War in 1942 and 1943. (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. M16 LW transitional helmet. Could be Kenny, it's not a British stamp mark socould have beenmade by one of the allied countries , if, it is American then it could be a M1917AI used between 1936 - 1941, the same period the MKII chin-strap. var year=mydate.getYear() 4th Bn. 11-30-2022 Local Time 06:08 AM The "4B" is a McCord Radiator stamp for the M17A1 (aka "Kelly") helmet. The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. UK 155428944961. $11295 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium ' // Stop Define Variables for days of the month . View detail. Fully restored with river gravel finis, M16 LW transitional helmet. 1st Bn. Very Solid condition. It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. WWII British Army MKII Brodie Helmet and Liner Restoration Service RESTORATION SERVICE ONLY. The ring didnt stay gone long and was brought back in 1917 no doubt to the joy of the average Tommy. Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. The use of a thicker bail and steel rivet to secure the holder would have minimized the chance of the bail coming lose during combat. var daym=mydate.getDate() sizes 54cm to 62cm. dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. This is what so many collectors need to restore an original British WW2 or American WWI Dough Boy helmet to wearable or even presentable condition. If so I know the US Navy used red painted helmets on their ships fordamage control teams. loop/lug was first used on the British MKI* and MKII helmets. Remembered Today: For instance, we are all familiar with American troops digging up foxholes to serve as make-shift beds and trenches during the Battle of the Bulge in Belgium and eastern France in the winter of 1944. This used brass case is approximately 75 mm diameter and is marked with a 1916 manufacturing date. Everything for sale on WW2Helmets.com is completely legal to own, trade, sell and transport within the United States of America. Pasted as rich text. Leinster Regiment who died 27/02/1918 JERUSALEM MEMORIAL Israel and Palestine (including Gaza) ' Upload or insert images from URL. and 34th Coy. With 'COMET ABL 56' printed inside. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The MK 1 Brodie helmets are made from original MK2 steel shells have stripped out liner, chinstrap hangers and repainted the shell in the correct WW1 wartime paint then fixed in a 100% accurate reproduction. View detail. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. There is also a drill hole on rear of the brim. Only a few very minor details set them apart from each other. We offer a 100% return policy. Commonly referred to as the "Kelly" between 1932 and 1936 the M1917 and the British MK1 helmets in America. It's easy! Artillery cartridge case of German origin, used during WW1. The list is on going if you know any more please let us know. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' before , possibly made by oneof the allied countries. Consequently a plastic liner, engineered by the car company, General Motors, was introduced, and it was this method, albeit with some alterations to the chin straps and other accoutrements, which was employed for decades in conflicts such as the Korean War and the Vietnam War. BASICALLY A DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE WW1 MKI BRODIE EVOLVED INTO THE WW2 MK2 STEEL HELMET,VIA THE INTER WAR MK1* VERSION..AND HOW TO TELL THEM APART.EACH HELMET WILL ALSO HAVE ITS INDIVIDUAL. Unlike the ubiquitous Stahlhelm which had been developed by the Germans around the same time the Brodie did not have a nape piece extending further down at the back to protect the neck, however, it did offer greater all round protection from shrapnel descending down into the trenches. Clment. A E MK I 1941 G.S.W. The final push in using the Brodie was a variant which was produced in 1936 and which saw widespread service by the Norwegians during the German invasion of their country in the spring of 1940 and by the British Expeditionary Force in France several weeks later. inspection stamp mark I've seen them before on liners. var month=mydate.getMonth()+1 liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. In fact they all look the same to me apart from the liners 5 seconds on the google http://thebrodiehelmet.weebly.com/. Similarly other late entrants into the war such as Portugal relied on supplies of the Brodie to protect the heads of their troops. He worked in Eastgate House, Exter. The cover was made from the same type of cloth the sand bags the held up the trench wall were made of. 2nd Bn. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The M1 was eventually used in virtually every part of the globe, certainly everywhere that fell within the American sphere of influence during the Cold War, from the Balkans to much of South America and from West Germany to Singapore. Available in two sizes: ABB9300-1 58 cm, US 7 (Small) ABB9300-2 61 cm, US 7 5/8 (Large) A note on sizing, larger size liner may protrude slightly from the bottom of the helmet. Hi J.H.E. The M1 came in two parts, a hard metal shell or cap on the outside, and an inner liner hat made out of softer and more malleable materials. Those U.S. forces that worked with the French Army wore the Adrian Helmet. First questions and then the story. The result in 1940 was the M1, which was effectively an altered version of the M1917. document.write; It was owing to its shape that the German forces on the Western Front began to refer to the helmet as the Salatschssel or salad bowl. I would leave the chin strap that is original, it's up to you what you want to do, with the helmet shell, it would have had an originalBMB liner dated the same as the shell, but I've seen BMB helmets with other maker. var fontstart = '' Original Item: One-of-a-kind. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' = Hawley Products Co - Illinois. H.M.S. A quick examination of an original example and the brush strokes can easily be seen. H.M.S. Few military helmets, whether in modern times, or further back, have the distinction of being used in over ten major wars. Worchester Pressed Steel Co - Worchester - Massachusetts. . The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. U.S. P17 chinstrap bail Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks Remembered Today: 1081780 Sapper Bedford Stanley LONG "D" Coy. dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom ' More innovatively the steel cap was also used as a multi-purpose device by American soldiers during the Second World War. It was also in 1916 that the British began supplying large numbers of Brodie helmets to their allies. They were produced Nov.1940 thru May 1941. Some developed nations such as Australia and Canada even continued to use it well into the 1990s. This is due to the split rivet shearing away from strain and the near constant moister of the Western Front. Royal Warwickshire Regiment who died 12/03/1918 ST. By 1916, Brodie helmet . 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. America ended up purchasing roughly 400,000 Brodie helmets from the British and produced over 2,700,000 M1917 helmets by the war's end. The series of number which follow the manufacture mark is a heating lot number used by the factory in the manufacturing process. The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. Similarly, the cap, when turned upside down, could be used for everything from a bowl for eating to a washbasin for shaving and rinsing to a miniature bucket. dailyinfo[28]=' 19673 Leading Aircraftman Samuel Ambrose TICKNER Meritorious Service Medal No. 1st Bn. Menu. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. A soup dish style helmet from the Great War, offered for sale islabeledincorrectly. McCord Radiator, Ford Motor Company were both known to have made P17s, but there wereundoubtedly more. Accordingly the main actors in the war quickly began developing new headgear. It it worth noting that while British servicemen were never issued with American helmets, American service men were issued British helmets. on the American helmets they look very crudely overlapped. The M1 offered exceptional protection. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. It is very hard to tell from the photo. = Mine Safety Appliance Co - Pennsylvania. "Foyle."